Three or One?

Are there three in the Godhead or only one? Is God three persons or is God one in number?

Let us take a look at a couple subjects:
  • How many persons sit on throne of God
  • Who gave who to die on the cross

I will first address the scriptures regarding the throne of God. Here are a couple questions that we need to consider regarding God's throne. Where is the throne? What is the throne of God?

The Throne of God

Isa 66:1
66:1 Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?

Do you believe the Bible or the theory of man? The theory of man says that God sits on some physical throne. If that is true how then is God omnipresent? God cannot be contained in a box, house, Church or anywhere else. God is everywhere! Look at the verse. what does it say?

How does a God that is everywhere sit down? How does a God that is everywhere have someone sit next to Him? If God is everywhere as the verse indicates then He fills all space! If God is not everywhere then he evidently is millions of miles from here sitting on a chair (throne) in Heaven.

The verse says that Heaven is God's throne. What is Heaven? The Hebrew says: OT:8064 shamayim (shaw-mah'-yim); dual of an unused singular shameh (shaw-meh'); from an unused root meaning to be lofty; the sky (as aloft; the dual perhaps alluding to the visible arch in which the clouds move, as well as to the higher ether where the celestial bodies revolve):
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright (c) 1994, Biblesoft and International Bible Translators, Inc.)

The throne of God is not a chair. The throne of God is the sky. This is telling us of the bigness of God, the largeness of God, His omnipresence. God is everywhere. Again, how can God be everywhere and then at the same time need a chair to sit on and be confined to that chair?

Num 23:19
19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man,

If God were a man like the verse says he is not than He would need to sit down.

John 4:24
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

God is a Spirit and He as a omnipresent Spirit does not need to sit. The Sky, atmosphere etc. is His throne. He is everywhere!

Let us examine a couple more verses.

Rev 3:21
21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

Rev 4:2
2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.

We must understand that the Bible and especially the book of Revelation speaks in parables and typology. Here is a honest question. Why does 3:21 refer to two on the throne but in 4:2 we see only one on the throne? In 3:21 why is the Holy Spirit the "3rd person of the Trinity" left out? Where is he? Why, in all of the verses in the Bible regarding the throne, do we not see the Holy Spirit mentioned? Is he throneless? If John 4:24 says that God is a Spirit and then you believe that the Holy Spirit is a spirit then you must also believe that God is two spirits.

God is one Spirit, not two. Eph 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

John 4:24 God is a Spirit...

Rev. 3:21 proves the oneness of God in that it shows how that the Spirit of God and the Son of God are one in the same. God was manifest in the flesh, 1 Tim. 3:16. God the Word was made flesh John 1:14. God himself came to earth as a man.

When John saw the throne of God, when God was revealed to him in all his glory and Kingship he saw only ONE. Only one was on the throne. God is one in number and has has three manifestations, namely the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. In all of human history there has never been a earthly King that shared his throne with another. This analogy that the scripture gives us is not for us to count "persons" but to see the Kingship of God and to see who the King of Kings really is, the Lord Jesus Christ!

The fact is, Jesus Christ sits on the throne alone as God! See Isa 44:24 24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;


More scripture proving thst Jesus is the King of Kings...

1 Tim 6:15
15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;

Rev 17:14
14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

Rev 19:16
16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

Who Gave Who to Die on the Cross?

Did the first person give the second person to die in capital punishment or did God himself love His creation so much that He himself took on the nature of flesh and came to earth as the Messiah?

John 3:16
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

1 John 3:16
16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.

The verse in John says that God gave His son but in 1 John it says that God gave himself. Which is it? Who came to die? Did God die? Did His son die?

When we understand that God is a Spirit and that He came in flesh helps us understand the verses. God did not die. The Son of God died. The manifestation of God died. The flesh of God died. There is a difference between the flesh and spirit. God has a Spirit nature and a flesh nature. Everyone that is born again also has a Spirit nature and was born with a human nature.

God is a Spirit but added a human nature when he came in flesh. Not another person but simply a revealing of God in human flesh!

1 Tim 3:16
16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

The fact is that God himself came in flesh and died on a tree for our sins. It was not another person but simply God loving His own creation enough to come Himself and die!

God is one in number. He said it.

Isa 43:10-11

10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour
.

Isa 43:14-15
14 Thus saith the LORD, your redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; For your sake I have sent to Babylon, and have brought down all their nobles, and the Chaldeans, whose cry is in the ships.
15 I am the LORD, your Holy One, the creator of Israel, your King.

Isa 44:6
6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

Isa 44:8
8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.

Isa 45:4-5
4 For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.
5 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:

Isa 45:18
18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

Isa 45:21-22
21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.
22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.

Jesus Christ the manifestation of God is the ONE true God!

1 John 5:20
20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.





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  • 11/25/2009 11:01 AM Bro. Steve Winter wrote:
    When we find one walking among us in society who is three separate persons, we lock them up as a matter of public safety.

    Bro. Winter
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  • 2/18/2010 8:20 PM Michael wrote:
    Perhaps you are unaware that Trinitarianism does not believe in a multiplicity of gods. You have successfully refuted the notion of polytheism from the text, but you have in no way refuted Trinitarianism.

    Why don't you exegete John 17:5, or perhaps Philippians 2:5-8, or John 1:1-2, using the Greek?

    Who was it that became a man? In other words, who became incarnate?

    Mr. Winter: God is not like you or I.
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