What The Trinity Preachers Will Not Tell You!
The Trinitarian preachers do NOT want you to know the truth of when the trinity doctrine began! When a person sees the documented history of the origin of the trinity and reads the Bible he can see as never before. Some trinitarian teachers vehemently despise Oneness Christians. Some forbid their church members to study along with Oneness Christians.
Any sincere Christian should wonder first of all why the terminology of the trinity is NOT found in the Bible. There are many words, terms and phrases that trinity preachers use to indoctrinate their people with. When you speak where the Bible speaks it is very difficult to go into false teachings. When you think that God needs your help in describing HIM, by saying that God is a trinity, three persons and the like, you have made yourself smarter than God!
Let us look at a little history of the origin of the trinity. Where did it come from? When was its beginning. Who were the "fathers" of this teaching? Why did it come into being? When did the trinity water baptism start? How did the early church baptize?
CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA, VOLUME 8
“Justin Martys was one of the early Fathers of the Roman Catholic Church who helped change the ancient baptism of “in the Name of Jesus Christ” to the titles of Father, Son and Holy Ghost”
FORMULA “With regard to the form used for baptism in the early Church, there is the difficulty that although Matthew 28:19 speaks of the Trinitarian formula which is now used, the Acts of the Apostles (2:38, 8:16, 10:48, 19:5) and Paul (I Corinthians 1:13, 6:11, Galatians 3:27, Romans 6:3) speak only of baptism “in the Name of Jesus.”
CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA, 1967 edition, volume 2, pages 56, 59.
“An explicit reference to the Trinitarian formula of baptism cannot be found in the first centuries.”
CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEIA, 1913 edition, volume 2, Page 265:
“They acknowledge that the original formula for baptism was in the Name of Jesus, but
the pope changed it.”
ENCYCLOPEDIA OF RELIGION AND ETHICS Scribner‘s T & T Clark, Edinburgh, 1924, vol 1 Page 380
“Christian baptism, when connected with the mention of a formula, is alluded to four times in the Acts (2:38, 8:16, 10:48, 19:5) and the formula is never that of (Matthew 28:19) but is twice in the name of Jesus Christ (Acts 2:38, 10:48) and twice in the name of the Lord Jesus (Acts 8:16, 19:5). That this was the usual formula of Christian baptism is supported by the evidence of the Pauline Epistles, which speak of being baptized only into Christ or into Christ Jesus (Galatians 3:27, Romans 6:3). Is it possible to reconcile these facts with the belief that Christ commanded the disciples to baptize in the trine name? The obvious explanation of the silence of New Testament on the trine name, and the use of another formula in Acts and Paul is that this other formula was the earlier, and that the trine formula is a later edition. It would require very strong argument to controvert this presumption, and none seems to exist”.
ENCYCLOPEDIA OF RELIGION AND ETHICS James Hastings, Published 1924, volume 2, Pages 377, 378, 384, 389:
Page 377. “It is clear from the contemporary usage (Acts 1:15; 11:13; Revelations 3:4) that ‘name’ was an ancient synonym for ‘person.’
Page 378 “Whereupon the latter sealed the reception of the candidate into the holy community by invoking ‘the fair name’ of the Lord Jesus upon his head (James 2:7; Revelations 7:3; 9:4; 14:1; 22:4).”
Page 384. “The formula used was “in the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ,” or some synonymous phrase. There is no evidence for the use of the triune name.”
Page 389. The earliest known formula is, “in the name of the Lord Jesus” or some similar phrase...”
ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITANNICA—1910, 11th Edition, Volume 3, pages 365-366
Page 361 “The trinitarian formula and trine immersion were not uniformly used from the beginning, nor did they always go together. The teachings of the Apostles indeed prescribes baptism in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost, but on the next page speaks of those who have been baptized into the name of the Lord—the normal formula of the New Testament. In the 3rd century, baptism in the name of Christ was still so widespread that Pope Stephen, in opposition to Cyprian of Garthage, declared it to be valid. From Pope Zachariah (ep.x) we learn that the Celtic missionaries in Baptizing omitted one or more persons of the trinity, and this was one of the reasons why the church of Rome anathematized them; Pope Nicholas, however (858867), allowed baptism to be valid (Tantum in nimineChristi), as in Acts.
Ursinus, an African Monk A.D. 1284), also asserted that baptism into the name of Christ alone was valid. The formula of Rome is; “I baptize thee in the name of the Father, and Son, and holy Spirit”
Page 366 No record of such use can be discovered in the Acts or the Epistles of the Apostles. The baptisms recorded in the New Testament after the day of Pentecost were administered “in the Name of Jesus Christ” (Acts 2:38), “into the name of the Lord Jesus” (8:16) “into Christ” (Romans 6:3; Galatians 3:27). This difficulty was considered by the Fathers.
THE ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITANNICA 13th. Edition Volume 3, pages 365-366
The baptismal formula, the trinitarian and the trine immersion were not uniformly used from the beginning nor did they always go together.
A DICTIONARY OF THE BIBLE—James Hastings, Scribner’s New York Published 1900, Volume I. page 241.
“the original form of words was ‘into the name of Jesus Christ’ or ‘the Lord Jesus’. Baptism into the name of the Trinity was a later development”
DICTIONARY OF THE BIBLE— James Hastings, 1906 Edition, volume 1, page 241
“Moreover there is no mention in the New Testament of any one being baptized into the name of the trinity.”
HASTINGS ENCYCLOPEDIA OF RELIGION—Vol 2, pages 377, 378, 389.
“The Christian baptism was administered using the name of Jesus. The use of the trinitarian formula of any sort was not suggested in the early Church history, Baptism was always in the Name of the Lord Jesus, until the time of Justin Martyr, when the trinity formula was used. Volume 2, page 377, commenting on Acts 2:38, “Name was an ancient synonym for person. Payment was always made in the name of some person, referring to ownership, therefore, one being baptized in Jesus name became his personal property, “Ye are Christ’s I Corinthians 3:23.
HASTINGS DICTIONARY OF THE BIBLE— PAGE 88.
“It must be acknowledged that the three-fold name of Matthew 28:19 does not appear to have been used by the primitive church, but rather in the” “Name of Jesus, Jesus Christ or Lord”
THE INTERNATIONAL STANDARD BIBLE ENCYCLOPEDIA—Volume 1 pages 392, 393, 396.
“the formula of Christian baptism, in the mode which prevailed, is given in Matthew 28:19, ‘I baptize thee in the name of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost’ But it is curious that the words are not given in any description of Christian baptism until the time of Justin Martyr; and there, they are not repeated exactly, but in a slightly extended and explanatory form. In every account of the performance of the rite in Apostolic times a much shorter formula is in use. The 3,000 believers were baptized on the Day of Pentecost “in the Name of Jesus” (Acts 2:38), and the same formula was used at the baptism of Cornelius and those that were with him (Acts 10:48). Indeed it would appear to have been the usual one, from St Paul’s question to the Corinthians: “Were ye baptized into the name of Paul?” (I Corinthians 1:13). The Samaritans were baptized “into the name of the Lord Jesus” (Acts 8:16); and the same formula was used in the case of the disciples at Ephesus. (Acts 19:1-5)....Others think that the full formula was always used and that narratives in the book of Acts and in the Pauline Epistles are merely brief summaries of what took place; an idea rather difficult to believe in the absence of any single reference to the longer formula The evidence to show that the formula given by St Matthew became the established usage is overwhelming; but it is more than likely that the use of the shorter formula did not altogether die out, or, if it did, that it was revived. The historian Socrates informs us that some of the more extreme Arians “corrected” baptism by using the Name of Christ only in the formula. “The practice of using the shorter formula existed in the 5th. and 6th. Centuries, at all events in the East”
Page 396. “No record of such use can be discovered in the Acts of the Epistles of the
Apostles. The baptisms recorded in the New Testament after the Day of Pentecost are
administered “in the Name of Jesus Christ” (Acts 2:38), “into the name of the Lord Jesus”
(8:16), “into Christ” (Romans 6:3, Galatians 3:27). This difficulty was considered by the
Fathers.”
HISTORY OF CHRISTANITY IN THE APOSTOLIC AGE—A.C. McGiffert, Scribners, 1901, page 61.
…”of the trinitarian formula, into the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, which later became universal in the Church, we have no trace in the New Testament, except in the single passage, (Matthew 28:19). It is difficult to suppose that it was employed in the early days with which we are here concerned; for it involves a conception of the nature of the rite which was entirely foreign to the thought of the primitive Christians, and indeed no less foreign to the thought of. When and how the formula arose, we do not know.”
To: Apostolic Contender
In the name of God the Father, the Son and Holy Spirit, Peace be with You.
What you did not mention is that there was no doctrine of the Trinity or Oneness until the Arian Heresy where the Council Of Nicea condemned it and the Trinitarian Doctrine was defined and agreed upon by majority of Christian. Since then this Doctrine was challenged but majority of christians until now rejected it.
It is misleading to state that since the exact words on the trinity and its formulation is not found in the bible that this doctrine has no biblical basis.Please read the articles regarding the Decision of the Council of Nicea and not selectively quote those who opposed it. That decision is likened to an interpretation of the Constitution based on the particular provisions, the comments of the Constitutional Convention Members and experts on the Constitution. After much deliberation and weighing the opposing position the council decided to adapt the Trinitarian Doctrine. There is nothing wrong with that. Now if you want to belatedly argue the error of that council, then you should initiate the convening of a council to amend that doctrine. If you find that impractical you can start lobbying various christian denominations (RC, Orthodox, Anglicans and Evangelicals to form a councilto redefine or change this doctrine.
In the meantime i respect your view. However please put your comments in its proper context to enlighten us.
The Triune God Bless you
Trinitarius
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With a name like that you must be a Catholic priest. Show me one person in the Bible that ever repeated the phrase "In the name of God the Father, the Son and Holy Spirit," for any reason. You CANNOT.
Did you also know that in the first century the Roman Catholic church baptized in the name of Jesus Christ? They also followed the instructions of Jesus and the example of the Apostles. They changed it to compromise with the multiple god pagans of the day, to have religious unity. The true church continued on and even to this day still baptizes in the name of Jesus Christ.
I can see that you have NOT read this blog but only viewed what it is about and made your comments. I challenge you to find one of my challenges and write back.
Thank you for writing.
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THE HOLY BIBLE IS RIGHT.JESUS CHOOSE THE DECIPLES.AND THERE TITLE WAS CHANGED TO APOSTLES.HE TAUGHT THEM THREE YEARS.AND GAVE PETER THE KEYS.HE SAID WHATEVER YOU BIND ON EARTH,I WILL BIND IN HEAVEN,WHATSOEVER YOU LOOSE ON EARTH,I WILL LOOSE IN HEAVEN.PETER USED THE KEY TO OPEN THE PLAN OF SALVATION.THEY ASK PETER AND THE REST OF THE APOSTLES,WHAT MUST THEY DO TO BE SAVED??[ACTS 2:36-38]SO YOU ARE STILL BIND,BECAUSE OF ADAM,PUT YOU IN SIN.BUT IF YOU OBEY PETER ,YOU CAN BE LOOSED.JESUS GAVE PETER THAT AUTHORITY.ALSO A PREACHER NAME APPOLLOS DID NOT NO ABOUT THE WATER BAPTISM IN JESUS NAME,NOR HAD HE BEEN TAUGHT ABOUT THE HOLY GHOST.[HE WENT TO BIBLE COLLEGE]AND ONLY WAS TAUGHT THE BAPTISM OF JOHN.WHEN TWO APOSTOLIC"S NAME AQUILLA AND PRESCILLA.EXPOUNDED UNTO HIM THE WORD OF GOD MORE PERFECTLY.HE WAS BAPTIZED OVER[IN THE NAME OF JESUS]READ;ACTS 18;24-27 AND ACTS 19;1-6.ARE THERE OTHER PREACHERS WHO NEED TO BE EXPOUNDED THE BAPTISM MORE PERFECTLY???SO YOU TOO CAN BE BAPTIZED THE CORRECT WAY.EPH.4;5 SAYS ONE LORD,ONE FAITH,AND ONE BAPTISM.NOW TELL ME THE ONE BAPTISM.HOW DID THE APOSTLES BAPTIZE?? CAN YOU FIND ONE,JUST GIVE ME ONLY ONE SCRIPTURE THAT THEY BAPTIZED IN TITLES,SAYING FATHER,SON,AND HOLY GHOST.
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Acts 2:42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers, the Apostle's doctrine or the oneness doctrine is the same,
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God said during the transfiguration:
"This is my Son, LISTEN TO HIM."
Are we actually LISTENING to the words Jesus spoke? What message (gospel) did Jesus preach? Jesus never taught that he was God, but "the Son of God" and his disciples believed him to be the Messiah (The anointed whom God foretold in the Hebrew Scriptures. ) He taught that the Father is ONE and is ONE God. He spoke of God as "He" ... "His"..."Him" .... He never spoke of God as "they" ...."them"....."their" but always in a SINGULAR sense. He taught that the Father was God both for himself and for his followers, hence he was "not ashamed to call them his brethren". For they are all OF ONE. The Father gave life to His Son and to us.
So what did Jesus and his disciples TEACH? They did not teach a tri-une God. IF that was THEIR TEACHING, then please provide the proof. Most of the crowds believed that Yeshua was a mighty PROPHET and the Messiah (anointed) that God WAS WITH him. They never taught that Jesus was God and they had plenty of opportunity.
None of them believed that Jesus was God, but was God's Son. The angels are also sons of God.
Isn't it wise to believe in God's Word, than in the many "teachings and traditions of men"? (teachings of priests, clergy, popes, ministers, etc.
God's love and peace be with you.
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You are SO WRONG! The Jews of that day and today only believe in ONE GOD. They have never believed in a trinity!
All the Apostles and Prophets believed in One God, never three persons of God.
If the Jews of the OT and NT believed in a three person God tell me when did they stop believing it. Ask any Jew, they DO NOT believe in a 3 person God. They believe in Duet 6:4!
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Praise the Lord in Jesus Name I write to you , All my life I have grew up in a trinitarian church, and I really was taught that baptism was just a show that you accepted Christ as your Savior, but I have been going to an Apostolic Church (oneness) and my eyes were open to the truth that Jesus is God and the Holy Ghost, In the Bible: 1 Timothy 3:16, Timothy writes And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit (Holy Ghost), Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Belived on in the world, recieve up in glory.
1 Corinthians:19 1-7
And it happend, while Apollos was at Corinth, that Paul having passed through the upper regions, came to Ephesus. And finding some disciples, he said to them, "Did you receive the Holy Ghost when you believed?" So they said to him " We have not so much as heard of the Holy Ghost". And he siad to them " In what baptism where you baptized?" So they said, " Into John's baptism." Then Paul said, John indeed baptized with a baptism of repentance, saying believe on Him who would come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus." When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. And when Paul had laid hands on them, the Holy Ghost came upon them, and they spoke with tongues and prophesied, Now the men were about twelve in all.
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Constantine Wrote Matt 28:19: "The Source of the Error
The earliest reference to the Trinitarian doctrinal insertion is found in the Didache. The Didache is a collection of fictional(Freely admitted by Catholics themselves!)fragments of writings from five or more documents. They were originally written, it is thought, between A.D. 80 and 160. Although we now have only 99 verses, those verses contain the seeds of many false teachings that developed into the Papal Superstitions. The seeds of Indulgences, the Mass, the Confessional, the substitution of sprinkling for immersion and other gross errors are to be found in that disreputable pseudo-Christian document. (Refs: IV1, IX2-4, X2-6, XIII3, XIV1 and IV6.)
In the Didache, among all the above mentioned apostate beliefs, is found the Trinitarian phrase that later wormed its way into the text of Matthew 28:19, displacing the authentic words of Christ. Here, then, is the source of the erroneous written teaching reflecting the practice of apostate “Christians” in the second century." Justin Martr 90-165 was instrumental in the baptismal change. Even Justin Martyr was leery of the switch, as he clearly shows in his writings, as the first recorded 'trinitarian' baptism mode on historical record, in the year 140 AD, still carried the 'NAME OF JESUS', as a carryover from the original Acts 2:38 mode. History is replete with the statements that the vast majority of the proverbial Christians in the first 3 centuries AD were Acts 2:38-Jesus Name adherents. Their numbers were so large that the proverbial 'popes' of the day admitted that baptism in Jesus name was valid (Stephen of the 300's and Zachery of the 700's).Justin Martyr also introduced a concept unheard of among earlier Christians, namely that Jesus Christ was "in the second place" to the Father. Which lead to the Trinity. Coined by Terullian 197 AD from Pagan Plato's writings and adopted as Doctrine by the Pagan Roman emperor Constantines coalition of yes men at nicene in 325 AD!
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Actually the faith in the name is more important than the correct spelling of it from whatever language or idiom now “dominates” it. Faith in the name is what saves! Having a correct understanding of who the person is that bear the name is equally as important. If referring to Yahoshua in a name that was not transliterated coming from the original or give reference to a triune God, then that would definitely generate errors. You have to also refer to him as both Lord and Christ (Acts 2:36), for he is the only one who bears that status; “for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved” (Acts 4:12). Therefore, it is perfectly fit to use Yahoshua or whatever it is transliterated to be in your particular language; what should remain constant is the pronunciation, though this is non-existent in the name Jesus. Using Jesus is not the same as those who baptize using the three titles (Father, Son, Holy Ghost), for no name is called when the titles are used and we are endlessly commanded to use a name (Matt 28:29,Luke24:47, Acts 2:38, Acts22:16,etc). It would be like using the three titles if the name was not coming from Yahoshua through the unavoidable means of translations and/or transliterations. Nevertheless, it can be done in the original language. That is, baptize calling on, “Adonai Yahoshua Ha Mashiah.” But it is not required by God; as he still honors the name of Jesus in baptism, even today. And now, why tarriest thou? (Why do you wait?). Arise and be baptized, and wash away thy (Your) sins, calling on the name of the "Lord". By definition: He to whom a person or thing belongs. This title is given to: God. (Jesus is Lord or God of all, says Acts10:36). God bless us all richly and daily.
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greetings in jesus name.the trinity doctrine is,right from the pits of,hell.i was kicked of "the christain faith site",for my views on the trinity.saying,jesus is a second person,in some trinity,what a crock.the trinity is like the oil,i put on my tools,"three in one oil".the gospel of the apostles, labeled as heresy,by those triniy believers.the trinity doctrine, hides the name of jesus christ,thats the work of satan.colossians 2:9 for in him dwelleth all the fullness of the godhead bodily.thanks bro.steve.
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Evidently you have not read Jesus' claim that He is the Father. The details are in this blog. I will not comment any futher on that. Any of you that are interested in seeing the scriptures where Jesus claimed to be the Father and where the apostles and prophets also do the same, look at an entry called "Jesus is the Father".
People have a problem with this issue because they do not understand the dual nature of Christ, "human and divine".
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greetings in jesus name.people who call themselves christains,changeing the word of god into a lie.trinty,puts jesus in second place,in the godhead.thats a lie of satan.steve hooper
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Evidently you have not read the scriptures where Jesus states categorically that he is NOT the Father. Jesus was unified to the Father's Will and prayed such unity for the disciples also ... may they be one as we are one. Rather than reading a blog, it is better to read all that Jesus said in context, directly from his own mouth in the gospels. Jesus said the Father knows things that Jesus doesn't know, so Jesus cannot be the Father and never claimed to be. Others errantly claimed that he was, but God only said to heed Jesus and Jesus said the Father is greater than Jesus. One cannot be greater than oneself or not know something that one knows. Jesus said to love God with all your mind and it's best that we do so. Jesus and logic assure us that Jesus is not the Father. Jesus did not pray to himself or act as a ventriloquist when the voice came from heaven. Jesus assured us that the words he spoke were NOT his own, but were the Father's. If Jesus was the Father he would have been lying in this claim, since that would have made the words he spoke his own. Jesus did NOT lie
with goodwill to you, Glenda
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Good post Glenda,
I don't understand why so many Christians just will not LISTEN to Jesus' words, ABOVE the teachings of their pastors, priest, or ministers.
No doubt this is why Jesus' God and Father's voice boomed: "This is my Son, LISTEN TO HIM." during the transfiguration vision.
And why would those who believe the trinity ignore Jesus when he MADE A POINT to tell Mary:
".."Go to MY BRETHREN, and say to them; "I ascend unto MY FATHER AND YOUR FATHER, and to MY GOD AND YOUR GOD." John 20:17
And who was Jesus God? The Jews knew who their God was; "The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob." The God of his forefathers.
Jesus said to the Samaritan woman: "Ye worship what ye know not. We " (Jews) "know what we worship, for salvation is of THE JEWS. But the hour cometh, and now is, when THE TRUE WORSHIPPERS WILL WORSHIP THE FATHER in spirit and in truth; for THE FATHER seeketh SUCH ONES TO WORSHIP HIM." See John 4:21-26
OK now, what Jesus (Yeshua) is saying here is this: Those who worship THE FATHER, are the "true worshippers."
Who is Jesus' Father? The one who raised him up; the God of the Jews: YHWH (Yahweh) whom Jesus himself called "the ONLY TRUE GOD." (John 17:3)
Peter said this as 1 Peter 1:3 :
"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His great mercy has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead." ......."For he was foreknown before the foundation of the world, but has appeared in these last times for the sake of you. Who through him are believers in GOD WHO RAISED HIM FROM THE DEAD, and GAVE HIM glory, so that your faith and hope are IN GOD."......."for you have been born again not of seed which is perishable but imperishable, that is, through the LIVING AND ABIDING WORD OF GOD." ......"but the WORD of the Lord abides forever" And this is the word which was preached to you." See 1 Peter 1:3-25
Peter said: "We must obey God rather than men. The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom you had put to death by hanging him on a cross. He is the one whom GOD EXALTED to His right hand as a Prince and a Savior, to grant repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins." Acts 5:29-31
The way that Jesus (Yeshua) is a father to us is that he replaces Adam who is our first forefather:
"But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruit of those who are asleep. For since by A MAN came death, BY A MAN also came the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all shall be made alive. But each in his own order; Christ, the first fruits, after that those who are Christ's at his coming." 1 Corinthians 15:20-23
Just because Jesus is spoken of as a father at Isaiah 9:6 it does not mean that he replaces his heavenly Father.
Even Abraham is spoken of as a father to us all: "Abraham is the father of us all" Romans 4:16.... Galations 3:7,29
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God cannot be separated from jesus christ.jesus christ to be a second person in the godhead or trinity finds on support in the scriptures.to wit,that god was in christ,reconciling the world unto himself.the glory of god seen in the face of jesus christ 2 cor.4:6.jesus christ is the image of the invisible god.God cannot be seen or or approached but through his son.jesus said,the father that dwelleth in me,he doeth the works.Jesus is the door,there is no other way to the father,but threw jesus christ.yes,jesus was human and divine.you all have a wonderful day.steve hooper
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The creed of saint athanasius.Whosoever would be saved/needeth before all things to hold fast the catholic faith.What a crock of garbage.there is no talk about Repentance,forgiveness,or the atoning blood of Christ,just hold to the catholic faith.Which faith except a man keep whole and undefiled,/without doubt he will perish eternally.Any person who beleives this creed will beleive anything.There are numerous doctrines taught by theologians who claim to be ministers of the gospel but who do not have biblical proof for those creeds that they teach.Thats like the doctrine of the trinity,its a mystery no one can understand.would you have faith in a mystery,you cant understand.will a mystery save your soul,will a mystery make you a new creature in christ,i donot think so.jesus is the same yesterday,today and forever,his saving gospel never changes.have a wonderday.steve h
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I agree with the above comment, Jesus is the son of God, not God.
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Question for the Oneness theologians on this website. Read John 8:15-18. How can God be one and count Himself as two witnesses and still be holy?
P.S. Look carefully at the actual definition of the word "nature" before you respond.
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"Jesus is the son of God, not God."
Even trinitarians would argue with you on this point.
1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Jesus is the one God of the OT manifest in flesh. Jesus is not a part of God, he is the manifestation of the only God. He is all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.
Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.
Jesus is fully God and fully man. As God, he is the one God. As a man, he is the son of God. As God he rose from the dead. As a man, he died for our sins. As a man he prayed. As God he answered prayer. Jesus could speak as a man, as God, or both. He never spoke to God as God (this would require two Gods). He spoke to God as man. The scriptures proclaim that Jesus is God, they do not proclaim that he is God in his son-ship. He is the Father in his deity. He is the son of God in his humanity.
John 14:8-9 8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
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And what else did Jesus further say here at the Scripture at John 14:8-9?
Why didn't you finish further, what he said?:
"Do you not believe that I am IN the Father and the Father is IN me? The words that I say to you, I DO NOT SPEAK ON MY OWN INITIATIVE, but the Father ABIDING IN ME DOES HIS WORKS. Believe me that I am in the Father and the Father in me; otherwise believe on account of THE WORKS themselves." verses 10-11
The Holy Spirit was SEEN coming down INTO Jesus. He was ANOINTED WITH the Holy Spirit of God. This was why the Father DWELLING IN HIM, was telling him what to do and what to say.
"He who does not love me does not keep my words; and the word which you hear IS NOT MINE, but the Father's who sent me." verse 24
"But the world may know that I love the Father, and AS THE FATHER GAVE ME COMMANDMENT, EVEN SO I DO."....." Verse 31
John 15:10:
"IF you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love; JUST AS I HAVE KEPT MY FATHERS COMMANDMENTS AND ABIDE IN HIS LOVE."
Question:
Does God have to keep commandments?
Jesus does.
"That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of Him." Ephesians 1:17
"Always giving thanks for all things in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, TO GOD, even the FATHER." Ephesians 5:20
"And put on the new self, which in the likeness of God has been created in righteousness and holiness of the truth" Ephesians 4:24
"Therefore be imitators of God as beloved children; and walk in love just as Christ also loved you, and gave himself up for us AS AN OFFERING AND SACRIFICE TO GOD as a fragrant aroma." Ephesians 5:1-2
If Jesus is God, then he would be offering himself as a sacrifice TO HIMSELF. What kind of sacrifice would that be?
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Sheila,I entreat you to read other versions of the Bible-the KJV-the NKJV is an easier to read version of the KJV.EVERY word of the Bible is important!Your scriptures cited tweek the Word enough that the truth is not fully evident in them.None of the Gospels say that the Spirit was seen coming INTO Jesus.Then,John 14:31 But [that] the world may know that I love the Father;...Your version omits "that" which is a qualifier as to how the world may know that Jesus loves the Father. Not simply the world may know-or assume-that he loves the Father Not simply that he keeps the Father's commandments.
Ephesians 4:24 "And that ye put on the (new man), which after God is created in righteousness and true (absolute)holiness." Do you see the difference? Yours makes truth holy, the NKJV makes holiness absolute (true).Your Ephesians 5:20 reads different than the Ephesians 5:20 in the NKJV"Giving thanks always unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ."
Please be aware that I stress different versions to read because it is likened to that childrens game "telephone",in which the first message goes from one child to another and,based on each child's understanding, the end statement is different from the first. Tweeked. The versions have a history of how and why they came about. But to make it easier to read the Bible and distort the truth in the meanwhile is reprehensible.Salvation is at stake!(You take the time to fully understand instruction booklets that come with equipment in order to get the full and proper use of the equipment?)
Jesus stayed behind in the temple and "his parents" didnt know he was not with them as they returned home. They didnt understand when they found and questioned him, he said that he must be about "my Father's business" So do you see that in the natural, Jesus would have a "father/parent"(Joseph) and a Father?
Jesus does have ancestry back into the OT, from the line of David. Read the Book of Ruth. So in that way he is the son of man.And we know he is the Son of God by the conception in Mary by the Holy Spirit. So in that way,anything we may encounter that would separate us from God, Jesus (unlike Adam) overcame and was of hisself sinless-having kept all of God's commandments. The OT is full of times of sacrifice of animals for the atonement of sins. There is how Jesus is referred to at times as "the Lamb of God". So Jesus was man-for us-to overcome sin. But then took our sin upon him-someone correct me if I am wrong-he TOOK ON our sin at the time of his baptism by John,which was the baptism of repentence.But that was the beginning, more or less, of the ministry of Jesus. He told John (when John said it should be that Jesus baptize him)Jesus said it was necessary for John to baptize him to fulfill all righteousness.Another step to be accomplished. He died like a man(asphyxiation) on the cross.Jesus didnt offer himself as a sacrifice to God.Jesus was born to intercede on behalf of man to make a way back to God!
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This is very good and you have done well in describing the truth concerning the subject here. I can see plainly for His words speaks and confirms it. Remember that no one can come unto The Lord except they be drawn by Him...So, let those who have ears to hear, hear. And be converted unto salvation...amen
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As people look at the diety of Jesus they are just looking at the son, the human part of Go, but why doesn't look at like the miracles that Jesus performed, healings that He did, Now Look at the Spiritual side of Jesus-1 Timothy 3:16 tells us that God manifested (robed) himself into the flesh, He was justified in the Spirit, Seen among the angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Received in Glory. Lets look at the part where it says Preached among the Gentiles, "Wait a minute" it says that God preached among the Gentiles, but Jesus was walking on this Earth, But why did the verse say that God preached among the Gentiles because Jesus is Jehovah God in the flesh. But I praise and thank God that I am a one God Apostolic Pentecostal beliver in the name of Jesus
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Hello Jeremy,
To help answer your questions here are some more Scriptures:
"And the Father who sent me, He has borne witness of me. You have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen his form. And you do not have His Word abiding in you for you do not believe Him whom He sent." John 5:37-38
Jesus said: "For if you believed Moses, you would believe me, for he wrote of me." John 5:46
Yahweh said to Moses:
"I will raise up a prophet from among their countrymen like you, and I will put MY WORDS in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I COMMAND HIM. And it shall come about that whoever will not listen to MY WORDS which he shall speak in My name, I myself will require it of him." Deuteronomy 18:18-19
"Then a shoot will spring from the stem of Jesse, and a branch FROM HIS ROOTS will bear fruit. And the Spirit of Yahweh will rest on him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and strength, the spirit of knowledge AND THE FEAR OF YAHWEH. And he will delight in the fear of Yahweh. And he will not judge by what his eyes see, nor make a decision by what his hears hear" Isaiah 11:1-3
Jesus (yeshua) said:
"I can DO NOTHING ON MY OWN INITIATIVE, AS I HEAR, I JUDGE; and my judgment is just because I do not seek my own will, but the will of Him who sent me." John 5:30
"As the Living Father sent me, and I live BECAUSE OF THE FATHER, so he who eats me, he also shall live because of me." John 6:57
"Jesus therefore said: "When you lift up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am he, and I do nothing on my own initiative, but I speak these things as the Father taught me. And He who sent me is with me. He has not left me alone, for I always do the things that are pleasing to Him." John 8:28-29
"Do you say of him whom the Father SANCTIFIED and sent into the world , 'You are blaspheming because I said I am God's Son? If I do not do the works of my Father, do not believe me. But if I do them, though you don't believe me, BELIEVE THE WORKS that you may know and understand that the Father is IN me, and I in the Father." John 10:36-38
"And the Holy Spirit descended UPON him in bodily form like a dove, and a voice came out of heaven, "Thou art my beloved Son, in Thee I am well-pleased." Luke 3:22
"And the book of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him, and he opened the book and found the place where it was written; "The Spirit of the LORD is upon me, because HE ANOINTED ME to preach the gospel "............." See Luke 4:18
"For just as the Father has life in Himself, even so HE GAVE to the Son also to have life in himself; and HE GAVE him authority to execute judgment, because he is the Son of Man." John 5:26
If Jesus was God, he would have already had this authority so it wouldn't have to be GIVEN to him. Also, if Jesus was God, LIFE wouldn't have to be GIVEN to him. Nor would it be necessary for the Father, to GIVE him the authority to execute judgment when he returns.
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Bravo Sheila Rae! Bravo Dolly Anderson! I agree with you both. Seems we are one as they are one and we aren't a trinity either!
God is a spirit
JN 4:24 God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship [him] in spirit and in truth.
Jesus was flesh and not a spirit
LK 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for ***a spirit hath not flesh*** and bones, as ye see me have.
God is like air so that we can be in air and air can be in us.
God can enter us and be manifest ***in*** our flesh as God was manifest in the flesh of Jesus. MT 10:20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh ***in*** you.
Jesus was the temple and God filled him in the same way that God had filled the tent in the wilderness.
MT 23:21 And whoso shall swear by the temple, sweareth by it, and by him that dwelleth therein.
JN 2:21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
MAL 3:1 Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly ****come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant***, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.
The messenger of the covenant is God's temple. Jesus is that temple and messenger of the new covenant
JN 3:34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure [unto him].
Jesus was sent by God. Jesus is not God.
Nobody has seen God, but many people saw Jesus.
JN 1:18 ***No man hath seen God at any time;*** the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared [him].
We see God in the words and works of Jesus ... these are dual witnesses (which answers the question of Charles how can God give dual witness)
JN 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? ***the words*** that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth ***the works.***
Salvation is of the Jews and not of trinitarians or those who think a man is God
NUM 23:19 God [is] not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do [it]? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
1SAM 15:29 And also the Strength of Israel will not lie nor repent: for he [is] not a man, that he should repent.
The One True God is indeed the Spirit God of Israel Who sent Jesus
JN 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Embrace YHWH, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and also the God and Father of Jesus. YHWH can be our God and Father too
JN 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and [to] my God, and your God.
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Hello there. So much of what you wrote, I agree with. Thanks for your kind words concerning my post.
I think that these Scriptures explain it very well, too:
"For God who said, "Light shall shine out of darkness", is the One who has shone in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ." 2 Corinthians 4:6
Jesus said:
"And do not be called leaders; for one is your Leader, that is Christ." Matt. 23:10
Yahweh said:
"And their leader shall be one of them, and their ruler shall come forth from their midst; and I will bring him hear, and he shall approach Me, for who would dare to risk his life to approach Me? Declares the LORD." (Yahweh) Jeremiah 30:21
"For Christ did not enter a holy place made with hands, a mere copy of the true one, but into heaven itself now to appear in the presence of God for us. Heb. 9:24
"This hope we have as an anchor of the soul, a hope both sure and steadfast and one which enters WITHIN THE VEIL, WHERE JESUS ENTERED as a forerunner for us having BECOME a High Priest forever, according to the order of Melchizedek. for this Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of the Most High God, "......." See Hebrews 6:19-20, and 7:1
"But he on the other hand, because he abides forever, holds his priesthood permanently. Hence also, he is able to save forever, those who draw near to God THROUGH him, since he always lives to make intercession for them." Heb. 7:25
We are fellow HEIRS WITH CHRIST:
"and if children, heirs also, heirs of God and FELLOW HEIRS WITH CHRIST, if indeed we suffer with him in order that we may also be glorified WITH HIM." Romans 8:17
"Therefore having overlooked the times of ignorance, God is now declaring to men that all everywhere should repent, because He has fixed a day in which HE WILL JUDGE the world in righteousness THROUGH A MAN whom He HAS APPOINTED, having furnished proof to all men by raising him from the dead." Acts 17:30-31
"You know Jesus of Nazareth, how GOD ANOINTED HIM with the Holy Spirit and with power, and how he went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil for God was WITH HIM." Acts 10:38
"God raised him on the third day AND GRANTED that he should become visible." Acts 10:40
"And he ordered us to preach to the people, and solemnly to testify that this is the one who has BEEN APPOINTED BY GOD as judge of the living and the dead." Acts 10:42
"For every high priest taken from among men is ANOINTED on behalf of men in things pertaining to God, in order to offer both gifts and sacrifices for sins."....." and no one takes the honor to himself but RECEIVES IT when he is CALLED BY GOD, even as Aaron was. SO ALSO CHRIST did not glorify himself so as to become a high priest, but He who said to him: "Thou art my Son, TODAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN THEE; just as He says in another place; "Thou art a priest forever, according to the order of Melchizedek." Hebrews 5:1-6
See also Heb. 5:8
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The writer of Luke also shows that the early Christians did not teach a trinity.
They believed him to be the foretold Messiah (Anointed; Christ) and believed that he was the Son of God, the King of Israel. See John 1:41, 49 .. John 3:33-36
John wrote:
"Many other signs therefore Jesus also performed in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book, but these have been written that YOU MAY BELIEVE that Jesus is the Christ, THE SON OF GOD, and that believing, you may have life in his name." John 20:30-31
"Therefore let all the house of Israel know for certain that GOD HAS MADE HIM both Lord and Christ --- this Jesus whom you crucified." Acts 2:36
"He will cry out to me, "Thou art my Father, my God and the rock of my salvation. I also SHALL MAKE HIM MY FIRSTBORN, the highest of the kings of the earth, My loving kindness I will keep for him forever and my covenant shall be confirmed to him. So I will establish his descendants forever and his throne as the days of heaven." Psalms 89:26-29
What is the blessing of the firstborn?
Isaac gave Jacob the blessing of a first born:
"Now may God give you the dew of heaven, and of the fatness of the earth, and an abundance of grain and new wine; May people SERVE YOU and NATIONS BOW DOWN to you: Be MASTER of your brothers, and may your mother's sons bow down to you. Cursed be those who curse you, and blessed be those who bless you."
When Esau protested this blessing to his brother, Jacob said to him:
"Behold I have made him YOUR MASTER, and all his relatives I HAVE GIVEN TO HIM AS SERVANTS.; and with grain and new wine, I have sustained him."
See this account at Genesis 27:28-29, 37
Yahweh installed his king on his holy mountain. (Mt Zion) All the nations have BEEN GIVEN to him to serve and obey him. See Psalms 2:7-12
Worship Yahweh God, and give "homage" to the Son.
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I know many trinitarians who baptize in "Jesus Name", repented and filled with the Holy Ghost. Obeyed Acts 2:38 to the letter The Bible says baptism is necessary for salvation, not an understanding of the Godhead. According to scripture, the Godhead is a mystery which is revealed. Understanding is based relationship with God.
The oneness/trinitarian debates are not important. James blows it off when he says you do just as good as devils if you believe in One God.
Oneness theology is as simple for me as Isaiah 9:6. Says it all.
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Fabulous article.. to your critics I would ask 'Is Jesus your God?'
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